‘Tombstone’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan
December 24, 2018 · Tombstone (1993) · Biography · Drama · History · 1:15:40 · ▶ Listen on Spotify
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Most Rewatchable Scene
Chris RyanLikes the 'I'm going to turn your head into a canoe' scene with Kurt Russell pistol whipping and Val Kilmer's 'I got two guns, one for each of you'▶ 22:50
Casting What-Ifs
Bill SimmonsRichard Gere — Discusses Richard Gere as Wyatt Earp and Willem Dafoe as Doc Holliday - says 'No way not' and 'Thank God he was not Doc Holliday'. Also mentions Mickey Rourke almost cast as Johnny Ringo▶ 41:24
Chris RyanMickey Rourke — Agrees the Dafoe casting would have been bad due to Disney/Buena Vista rejecting him over Last Temptation of Christ. Says Mickey Rourke as Ringo would have been 'one too many cooks in the kitchen'▶ 41:38
Sean FennesseyWillem Dafoe — Agrees Willem Dafoe would have been wrong for Doc Holliday, saying 'Thank God he was not Doc Holliday'▶ 41:46
Apex Mountain
Bill SimmonsJason Priestley — Kurt Russell: Tango and Cash (1989) - established him as A-list star at end of 80s; Val Kilmer: Heat (1995) - biggest mid-90s movie where he was De Niro's wingman; Jason Priestley: Tombstone - 1000% Apex Mountain, never bigger during 90210 peak▶ 46:49
Chris RyanJason Priestley — Kurt Russell: Tombstone era due to his ability to finance the movie coming off Backdraft; Val Kilmer: Top Gun era when people saw him as neck-and-neck with Tom Cruise; agreed on Priestley's Apex being Tombstone▶ 46:32
Sean FennesseyKurt Russell — Kurt Russell: The Thing/Silkwood era (1982-83) - he got Oscar nomination for Silkwood and had great run including Escape from New York; Bill Paxton: Tombstone era as sweet spot when he was figuring out how to be Bill Paxton▶ 48:08
Joey Pants Award
Chris RyanDana Wheeler-Nicholson — Supports Dana Wheeler-Nicholson, appreciates her performance and defends her against criticism▶ 56:16
Sean FennesseyDana Wheeler-Nicholson — Discusses Dana Wheeler-Nicholson favorably, mentions her other roles including Bye Bye Love▶ 56:21
Best Quote
Bill SimmonsMultiple quotes including 'I never saw a rich man that didn't have a guilty conscience...', 'I don't think I'll let you arrest us today, B-Han', 'Make no mistake, it's not revenge he's after. It's a reckoning', and Kilmer's 'I don't' response▶ 1:04:19
Probably Unanswerable Questions
Bill SimmonsAsks whether Kevin Costner would make Tombstone better or worse, argues Russell was the right level of famous while Costner was too famous and too focused on being an auteur. Also discusses whether anyone would want to see Kurt Russell's reconstructed 'Western Godfather' version of Tombstone.▶ 1:05:20
Chris RyanAgrees you can't make the movie without Russell, notes Costner was in his own head about being an auteur and focused on different character aspects like romantic relationships in Wyatt Earp. Discusses challenges of Western filmmaking and director's cuts.▶ 1:05:28
Sean FennesseyUses The Other Side of the Wind as example of why film reconstructions often result in amazing documents but not amazing movies, argues he likes Tombstone's flaws and messiness as is.▶ 1:07:44
Who Won the Movie
Bill SimmonsVal Kilmer — Val Kilmer wins the movie from a performance perspective, Kurt Russell wins it spiritually for keeping it alive▶ 1:13:15
Sean FennesseyKurt Russell — Kurt Russell - he's the star, it's one of his best movies, and he gets ownership of making it so good▶ 1:12:32
Movies Referenced (54)
| Title (year) | Links | Mentions | Mentioned by | First |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Aliens (1986) | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 5 | Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, Sean Fennessey | ▶ 24:53 |
| Batman (1989) | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 5 | Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey | ▶ 11:27 |
| Deep Impact (1998) | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 4 | Sean Fennessey | ▶ 6:11 |
| Rambo (2008) | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 4 | Sean Fennessey, Bill Simmons | ▶ 3:08 |
| The Abyss (1989) | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 4 | Chris Ryan, Sean Fennessey | ▶ 25:07 |
| The Godfather (1972) | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 4 | Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, Chris Ryan | ▶ 3:39 |
| Armageddon (1998) | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 3 | Sean Fennessey | ▶ 6:01 |
| Escape from New York (1981) | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 3 | Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey | ▶ 46:07 |
| Public Enemies (2009) | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 3 | Sean Fennessey, Chris Ryan | ▶ 1:10:14 |
| Rocky IV (1985) | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 3 | Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey | ▶ 50:51 |
| Top Gun (1986) | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 3 | Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, Sean Fennessey | ▶ 49:17 |
| Twister (1996) | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 3 | Sean Fennessey, Chris Ryan, Bill Simmons | ▶ 52:40 |
Directors Referenced (6)
| Name | Links | Mentions | Mentioned by | Known For | First |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Kevin Costner | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 13 | Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan | Dances with Wolves, Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves | ▶ 4:14 |
| Panos Cosmatos | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 9 | Chris Ryan, Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey | Tombstone | ▶ 8:34 |
| Michael Mann | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 3 | Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey | The Insider, Collateral, The Last of the Mohicans | ▶ 49:47 |
| Anson Jew | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 1 | Bill Simmons | Wonder Woman | ▶ 45:26 |
| John Ford | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 1 | Chris Ryan | ▶ 34:30 | |
| Oliver Stone | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 1 | Sean Fennessey | Born on the Fourth of July, Platoon, JFK | ▶ 50:34 |
Actors Referenced (71)
| Name | Links | Mentions | Mentioned by | Known For | First |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Kurt Russell | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 51 | Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, Sean Fennessey | Escape from New York, The Hateful Eight | ▶ 3:39 |
| Val Kilmer | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 43 | Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, Sean Fennessey | The Doors, The Saint, Kiss Kiss Bang Bang | ▶ 10:33 |
| Wyatt Earp | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 25 | Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, Sean Fennessey | Tombstone | ▶ 2:47 |
| Doc Holliday | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 16 | Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, Sean Fennessey | ▶ 12:16 | |
| Michael Bean | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 16 | Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, Chris Ryan | ▶ 16:56 | |
| Bill Paxton | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 14 | Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, Chris Ryan | Aliens, Apollo 13 | ▶ 17:15 |
| Carla Gugino | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 12 | Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, Chris Ryan | Watchmen, Sucker Punch | ▶ 31:40 |
| Jason Priestley | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 10 | Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, Chris Ryan | ▶ 17:43 | |
| Barbara Stanwyck | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 9 | Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, Sean Fennessey | Double Indemnity | ▶ 57:30 |
| Mutya Buena | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 6 | Chris Ryan, Bill Simmons | About Time, Love Actually | ▶ 7:32 |
| Billy Bob Thornton | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 5 | Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan | Sling Blade | ▶ 17:15 |
| Billy Zane | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 5 | Chris Ryan, Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey | Titanic | ▶ 16:56 |
Writers Referenced (7)
| Name | Links | Mentions | Mentioned by | Known For | First |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Lawrence Kasdan | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 4 | Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, Chris Ryan | The Big Chill | ▶ 4:30 |
| James Cameron | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 3 | Chris Ryan, Bill Simmons | Avatar, Aliens, Terminator 2: Judgment Day | ▶ 25:01 |
| Oscar Wilde | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 3 | Sean Fennessey, Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan | The Importance of Being Earnest | ▶ 40:41 |
| Roger Ebert | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 3 | Bill Simmons | ▶ 15:17 | |
| Robert Towne | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 2 | Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey | Chinatown, Mission: Impossible | ▶ 6:51 |
| Jackie Files | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 1 | Bill Simmons | ▶ 56:37 | |
| Kevin Jarre | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 1 | Sean Fennessey | Rambo: First Blood Part II, The Mummy | ▶ 2:38 |
Cinematographers Referenced (1)
| Name | Links | Mentions | Mentioned by | Known For | First |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Michael Grantland | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 1 | Bill Simmons | The Other Guys | ▶ 1:04:38 |