Creed With Bill Simmons, Wesley Morris, Sean Fennessey, and K. Austin Collins
January 4, 2022 · Creed (2015) · Action · Drama · Sport · 1:41:09 · ▶ Listen on Spotify
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Casting What-Ifs
Sean FennesseyAgrees that the casting seemed intentional with the main roles, discusses that they had to audition people▶ 42:40
Overacting Award
Bill SimmonsDidn't feel there was much overacting in this movie, briefly considered Jim Lampley but dismissed it▶ 54:46
Sean FennesseyMichael B. Jordan — The scene where MBJ has a showdown before Bianca's concert with the guy who asks for a photo and calls him 'Baby Creed'▶ 54:56
Wesley MorrisAgreed the scene felt fake but shifted to discussing broader boxing movie themes rather than specific overacting▶ 55:11
Half-Assed Internet Research
Bill SimmonsMultiple trivia facts: Stallone requested MBJ wear flag trunks, MBJ got actually hit in 11th round, Adrian's restaurant filmed at Victor Cafe in Philadelphia, MBJ gained 24 pounds of muscle working out 2-3 times daily, Adrian's maiden name Pennino is great Rocky trivia▶ 1:00:41
Sean FennesseyMBJ gained even more muscle for Black Panther - possibly 44 pounds - he's much bigger in that movie than in Creed▶ 1:02:15
Wesley MorrisThe knockout sequence with MBJ's fantasy montage is basically the same as the heart-shaped herb sequence from Black Panther▶ 1:01:36
Apex Mountain
Bill SimmonsMichael B. Jordan — Suggests this Creed movie could be apex mountain for Michael B. Jordan, but expresses uncertainty about whether to pick this or Black Panther▶ 1:03:41
Sean FennesseyMichael B. Jordan — Provides detailed career overview of Michael B. Jordan from The Wire through Creed, noting his progression but doesn't definitively state which is apex mountain▶ 1:03:49
Wesley MorrisMichael B. Jordan — Analyzes Jordan's intensity as an actor and discusses his performance in Black Panther as complex and politically radical, but doesn't clearly state apex mountain pick▶ 1:08:00
Picking Nits
Bill SimmonsPretty Ricky Conlin's just not in shape - that dude has not seen a sit-up in like five years▶ 1:17:12
Sean FennesseyCreed is in better shape visually than Andre Ward in the movie, despite Andre Ward being a real fighter who held the WBC lightweight title▶ 1:17:33
Wesley MorrisMichael B. Jordan is throwing off what an actual boxer's body looks like, but actors always do that in boxing movies▶ 1:17:56
Probably Unanswerable Questions
Bill SimmonsThe timeline of Apollo fathering Adonis doesn't work - if Apollo died in 1985 and Michael B. Jordan was born in 1987, Creed would be at least 29 years old in the movie, which seems late for a boxer starting out unless they came from jail▶ 1:19:16
Sean FennesseyCreed had been fighting for at least a few years with 15 fights in Mexico, so the timeline works because he wasn't just starting boxing at 28-29▶ 1:20:55
Wesley MorrisThe movie might not be set in 2015 - could be set 4 years earlier based on the music, which would make Creed 24 instead of 29, solving the timeline issue▶ 1:21:31
Who Won the Movie
Bill SimmonsSylvester Stallone — Stallone - he gets two victories: career revival as an actor (Best Supporting Actor nomination) and revival of the Rocky franchise▶ 1:36:24
Wesley MorrisRyan Coogler — Coogler won it for Stallone - Coogler revived Stallone's career, got him nominated for Best Supporting Actor, and revived the dead Rocky franchise▶ 1:36:15
Movies Referenced (51)
| Title (year) | Links | Mentions | Mentioned by | First |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Black Panther (2018) | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 36 | Wesley Morris, Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey | ▶ 1:37 |
| Philadelphia (1993) | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 14 | Wesley Morris, Bill Simmons | ▶ 6:03 |
| Friday Night Lights (2004) | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 6 | Sean Fennessey, Bill Simmons | ▶ 1:04:21 |
| First Blood (1982) | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 5 | Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey | ▶ 11:14 |
| Rocky Balboa (2006) | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 5 | Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, Wesley Morris | ▶ 4:50 |
| The Ring (2002) | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 5 | Sean Fennessey, Bill Simmons, Wesley Morris | ▶ 31:29 |
| Fantastic Four (2005) | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 4 | Sean Fennessey, Wesley Morris, Bill Simmons | ▶ 1:05:30 |
| Rocky V (1990) | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 4 | Bill Simmons, Wesley Morris | ▶ 2:07 |
| Chronicle (2012) | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 3 | Bill Simmons, Wesley Morris | ▶ 1:04:47 |
| Cinderella Man (2005) | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 3 | Bill Simmons, Wesley Morris | ▶ 57:20 |
| Good Time (2017) | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 3 | Wesley Morris | ▶ 29:27 |
| Midnight Run (1988) | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 3 | Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey | ▶ 1:15:33 |
Directors Referenced (8)
| Name | Links | Mentions | Mentioned by | Known For | First |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Ava DuVernay | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 4 | Wesley Morris | ▶ 1:28:21 | |
| Dead or Alive | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 2 | Wesley Morris | The A-Team | ▶ 21:14 |
| Anthony D. Syracuse | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 1 | Bill Simmons | ▶ 4:39 | |
| Clint Eastwood | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 1 | Wesley Morris | Million Dollar Baby, Gran Torino, Unforgiven | ▶ 1:35:14 |
| David Fincher | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 1 | Bill Simmons | Se7en, Gone Girl, Zodiac | ▶ 1:33:14 |
| Michael Mann | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 1 | Bill Simmons | The Insider, Collateral, The Last of the Mohicans | ▶ 6:46 |
| Sidney Lumet | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 1 | Bill Simmons | 12 Angry Men | ▶ 1:33:20 |
| Todd Haynes | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 1 | Wesley Morris | Far from Heaven, I'm Not There | ▶ 32:39 |
Actors Referenced (71)
| Name | Links | Mentions | Mentioned by | Known For | First |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Michael B. Jordan | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 17 | Wesley Morris, Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey | Black Panther, Creed, Fruitvale Station | ▶ 3:41 |
| Lisa Bonet | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 9 | Wesley Morris, Bill Simmons | Angel Heart, High Fidelity, Enemy of the State | ▶ 43:06 |
| Tessa Thompson | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 8 | Bill Simmons, Wesley Morris, Sean Fennessey | Creed | ▶ 5:58 |
| John Travolta | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 7 | Wesley Morris, Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey | Pulp Fiction, Get Shorty, Saturday Night Fever | ▶ 19:17 |
| Robert De Niro | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 7 | Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, Wesley Morris | Cape Fear, Raging Bull, Taxi Driver | ▶ 1:12:25 |
| Carl Weathers | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 6 | Wesley Morris | Rocky, Predator, Happy Gilmore | ▶ 11:45 |
| Phylicia Rashad | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 6 | Wesley Morris, Bill Simmons | Creed | ▶ 39:12 |
| Danny Trejo | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 5 | Bill Simmons | Machete, From Dusk Till Dawn, Predators | ▶ 1:18:21 |
| Diane Lane | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 5 | Bill Simmons, Wesley Morris | Unfaithful, Under the Tuscan Sun | ▶ 47:58 |
| Jack Johnson | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 5 | Bill Simmons | Lost in Space | ▶ 46:02 |
| Mark Rylance | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 5 | Sean Fennessey, Bill Simmons | Bridge of Spies | ▶ 1:24:05 |
| Barry Jenkins | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 4 | Wesley Morris, Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey | Zodiac | ▶ 28:44 |
Writers Referenced (6)
| Name | Links | Mentions | Mentioned by | Known For | First |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Ryan Coogler | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 39 | Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, Wesley Morris | Black Panther, Creed | ▶ 1:42 |
| Damien Chazelle | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 3 | Bill Simmons, Wesley Morris | Whiplash, La La Land, First Man | ▶ 28:44 |
| Shonda Rhimes | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 2 | Bill Simmons | ▶ 1:28:12 | |
| Colin Trevorrow | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 1 | Wesley Morris | Jurassic World | ▶ 27:51 |
| Paul Schrader | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 1 | Bill Simmons | First Reformed | ▶ 1:14:52 |
| Petri Jokiranta | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 1 | ▶ 1:40:28 |
Cinematographers Referenced (1)
| Name | Links | Mentions | Mentioned by | Known For | First |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Michael Grantland | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 1 | Bill Simmons | The Other Guys | ▶ 1:24 |