‘Ocean’s 12’ With Chris Ryan, Sean Fennessey, and Amanda Dobbins
March 5, 2020 · Ocean's Twelve (2004) · Crime · Thriller · 1:20:38 · ▶ Listen on Spotify
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Most Rewatchable Scene
Amanda DobbinsHighlighted the Matsui meeting as a good distillation of what the movies are about, and the Pitt and Clooney watching Happy Days scene as beautiful male intimacy and friendship▶ 27:24
Chris RyanNominated multiple scenes including the 12 reunion, breakdown of Vanderwood heist, Matsui meeting, train station banter, Vincent Cassel intro montage, Rusty and Danny watching Happy Days, Bruce Willis hotel scene, and Tess comes to Rome sequence▶ 20:34
Sean FennesseyAdded the reintroduction to the 11 at beginning, Rusty visiting Topher Grace, Eddie Jameson's stand-up in matador suit, Night Fox explaining Lamarck story, and Cherry Jones moment in truck with Matt Damon▶ 25:26
What's Aged the Best
Amanda DobbinsThe group of people being together and the concept of movies as an excuse for rich people to have vacations▶ 42:56
Chris RyanThe look, sound, and feel of the movie; David Holmes' musical contribution; Lake Como and Vincent Cassell's lifestyle; Brad Pitt's performance; Matt Damon's thirst; and the chemistry of the ensemble▶ 37:48
Sean FennesseyThe look and feel and style of the movie - its European heist movie aesthetic that's different from the first film▶ 43:37
Casting What-Ifs
Chris RyanMark Wahlberg — Mark Wahlberg was lined up to replace Matt Damon if Damon had backed out after a demanding Bourne movie shoot, though uncertain if this was real or a publicity bit▶ 50:51
Sean FennesseyMark Wahlberg — Questions whether the Mark Wahlberg story is real, noting it's not Soderbergh's tempo and mentions Wahlberg and Damon's later showdown in The Departed▶ 51:00
Dion Waiters Award
Amanda DobbinsAndy Garcia — Champions Andy Garcia, particularly for his scenes recruiting the team and speech to Virgil and Turk▶ 55:17
Sean FennesseyEddie Izzard — Suggests Eddie Izzard and Robbie Coltrane as overlooked nominees▶ 56:01
Joey Pants Award
Amanda DobbinsBruce Willis — Agrees with Bruce Willis but wants more discussion of other options first▶ 56:40
Chris RyanBruce Willis — Bruce Willis (after also suggesting Jared Harris as Basher's engineer)▶ 57:06
Sean FennesseyBruce Willis — Agrees Bruce Willis shouldn't win, suggests Eddie Izzard and Albert Finney belong in other categories instead▶ 56:32
Apex Mountain
Amanda DobbinsDiscusses Lake Como and supports the idea of certain locations/fashion elements being at apex mountain▶ 59:54
Chris RyanBrad Pitt — Brad Pitt - argues this is his apex mountain due to career power despite personal misery▶ 57:43
Sean FennesseyDiscusses various nominees but doesn't commit to a specific pick, seems skeptical of some suggestions▶ 58:01
Overacting Award
Chris RyanAlbert Finney — Doesn't think anyone is overdoing it in this movie, suggests maybe Albert Finney with the red pants but ultimately dismisses it▶ 1:07:09
Sean FennesseyJerry Weintraub — Jerry Weintraub - can see that he's overdoing it even though we don't hear him speak▶ 1:07:27
Half-Assed Internet Research
Amanda DobbinsNo recast needed - issue isn't Catherine Zeta-Jones but the character's role; likes Angelina Jolie suggestion for meta-text reasons▶ 1:08:51
Chris RyanPresents trivia about Ocean's 12 script origins, Peter Fonda's cut scene, and movie references; suggests Angelina Jolie for recasting Isabella▶ 1:07:31
Picking Nits
Amanda DobbinsHow do you identify someone from a random boot print found on the street? Also Catherine Zeta-Jones's inconsistent knowledge - she knows everything and nothing at all times about thieves. Plus Vincent Cassel gets hit by like 45 lasers in the capoeira scene.▶ 1:10:11
Chris RyanIf Tess looks like Julia Roberts, are the other guys doppelgangers for their Hollywood lookalikes?▶ 1:09:37
Best Quote
Amanda DobbinsHighlighted 'I wasn't in four weddings and a funeral' and 'just protect your fake baby'▶ 1:14:49
Chris RyanFour weddings and funeral quote (Julia Roberts pretending she wasn't in the movie)▶ 1:16:03
Sean FennesseyFocused on Rusty's dialogue about asking questions rhetorically, but noted it's more about energy and sequences than single sentences▶ 1:13:37
Probably Unanswerable Questions
Amanda DobbinsThe underworld helped him out because they keep talking about how you broke rule number one▶ 1:17:04
Chris RyanHow did Danny get all the biographical details about the most mythical reclusive thief in the world, the Night Fox, when he was just like, his name is Talur. He's done all these jobs. Here's where he lives. Do you think he just had a Wikipedia page?▶ 1:16:49
Movies Referenced (29)
| Title (year) | Links | Mentions | Mentioned by | First |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Four Weddings and a Funeral (1994) | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 3 | ▶ 1:14:52 | |
| Inception (2010) | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 3 | Sean Fennessey | ▶ 12:55 |
| Ocean's Eleven (2001) | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 3 | Chris Ryan, Sean Fennessey | ▶ 15:25 |
| Die Hard (1988) | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 2 | Chris Ryan | ▶ 1:07:45 |
| The Other Guys (2010) | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 2 | Amanda Dobbins, Chris Ryan | ▶ 48:23 |
| The Sixth Sense (1999) | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 2 | Amanda Dobbins | ▶ 32:37 |
| Troy (2004) | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 2 | Chris Ryan | ▶ 17:10 |
| Underworld (2003) | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 2 | Chris Ryan, Amanda Dobbins | ▶ 1:17:01 |
| A Bridge Too Far (1977) | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 1 | Chris Ryan | ▶ 48:35 |
| Casino (1995) | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 1 | Sean Fennessey | ▶ 43:47 |
| Confessions of a Dangerous Mind (2002) | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 1 | Chris Ryan | ▶ 42:17 |
| Contagion (2011) | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 1 | Sean Fennessey | ▶ 18:03 |
Directors Referenced (10)
| Name | Links | Mentions | Mentioned by | Known For | First |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Steven Soderbergh | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 27 | Chris Ryan, Amanda Dobbins, Sean Fennessey | ▶ 2:12 | |
| George Clooney | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 16 | Chris Ryan, Amanda Dobbins, Sean Fennessey | The Ides of March, Michael Clayton | ▶ 7:17 |
| Terry Benedict | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 6 | Sean Fennessey, Chris Ryan, Amanda Dobbins | Hacksaw Ridge, The Terminator | ▶ 5:49 |
| Anson Jew | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 1 | Amanda Dobbins | Wonder Woman | ▶ 16:28 |
| Ben Affleck | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 1 | Sean Fennessey | Argo, Gone Girl, The Town | ▶ 42:40 |
| Jean-Pierre Melville | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 1 | Chris Ryan | ▶ 8:01 | |
| John Frankenheimer | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 1 | Chris Ryan | Seven Days in May | ▶ 45:53 |
| John Woo | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 1 | Chris Ryan | ▶ 1:07:37 | |
| Robert Altman | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 1 | Chris Ryan | Gosford Park | ▶ 21:53 |
| Scott Conn | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 1 | Chris Ryan | Predators, Machete | ▶ 55:52 |
Actors Referenced (42)
| Name | Links | Mentions | Mentioned by | Known For | First |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Matt Damon | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 29 | Chris Ryan, Sean Fennessey, Amanda Dobbins | Good Will Hunting, The Martian, The Departed | ▶ 15:45 |
| Brad Pitt | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 27 | Chris Ryan, Amanda Dobbins, Sean Fennessey | Fight Club, 12 Monkeys, Mr. & Mrs. Smith | ▶ 15:54 |
| Julia Roberts | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 18 | Chris Ryan, Sean Fennessey, Amanda Dobbins | Pretty Woman, My Best Friend's Wedding | ▶ 11:24 |
| Bruce Willis | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 14 | Chris Ryan, Amanda Dobbins, Sean Fennessey | Die Hard, Pulp Fiction | ▶ 24:21 |
| Catherine Zeta-Jones | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 9 | Chris Ryan, Amanda Dobbins, Sean Fennessey | ▶ 13:33 | |
| Perry Como | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 9 | Amanda Dobbins, Chris Ryan, Sean Fennessey | Blast from the Past | ▶ 14:54 |
| Cherry Jones | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 5 | Sean Fennessey, Chris Ryan | The Village, The Perfect Storm | ▶ 26:54 |
| Jerry Weintraub | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 5 | Chris Ryan, Sean Fennessey | The Firm | ▶ 26:44 |
| Albert Finney | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 4 | Sean Fennessey, Chris Ryan | Erin Brockovich, Big Fish | ▶ 13:33 |
| Andy Garcia | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 4 | Chris Ryan, Amanda Dobbins | Ocean's Eleven, The Godfather Part III | ▶ 46:26 |
| Jared Harris | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 4 | Chris Ryan | ▶ 56:53 | |
| Robbie Coltrane | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 4 | Chris Ryan, Amanda Dobbins, Sean Fennessey | GoldenEye | ▶ 22:11 |
Writers Referenced (2)
| Name | Links | Mentions | Mentioned by | Known For | First |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| George Nolfi | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 4 | Chris Ryan, Sean Fennessey | The Adjustment Bureau | ▶ 2:12 |
| Marius Constant | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 2 | Sean Fennessey | The Manchurian Candidate, Last Action Hero | ▶ 1:09:17 |
Cinematographers Referenced (1)
| Name | Links | Mentions | Mentioned by | Known For | First |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Robert Barcelona | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 1 | Chris Ryan | Elysium, Venom, Jurassic World | ▶ 58:14 |