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‘Terminator 2: Judgment Day’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
January 26, 2021 · Terminator 2: Judgment Day (1991) · Action · Adventure · Sci-Fi · 1:27:33 · ▶ Listen on Spotify
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Most Rewatchable Scene
Bill SimmonsMultiple scenes: naked Arnold in biker bar, John Connor arcade sequence through bike chase, springing Sarah Connor from asylum, attack at Joe Morton's house▶ 32:07
Chris RyanPraised the Galleria sequence as 'one of the most thrilling 20 minute sequences in movie history' and discussed asylum escape scene▶ 34:02
Half-Assed Internet Research
Bill SimmonsArnold worked for a month to learn the one-handed rifle reload and accidentally gave Edward Furlong a mild concussion with the rifle during filming▶ 45:30
Bill SimmonsRobert Patrick took sprinting so seriously that he was actually catching up to the motor scooter and they had to tell him to slow down▶ 49:25
Chris RyanReferenced that the hosts would mention in research how the helicopter pilot, motorcycle work, and big rig truck stunts pushed boundaries beyond what had been done in movies before▶ 43:06
What's Aged the Best
Bill SimmonsSupports the police criticism pick, contextualizing it against late 80s issues and contrasting with Colors (1988) where cops were heroes▶ 54:55
Chris RyanAgrees about police as bad guys, noting Cameron's healthy skepticism about police force and dehumanizing aspects▶ 54:42
Van LathanThe idea of the police as the bad guys - first movie where someone in police uniform is the bad guy▶ 54:32
What's Aged the Worst
Bill SimmonsEdward Furlong's inconsistent performance (like a scattered basketball stat line), the reveal that Arnold was a good guy (though notes people don't remember this was significant), and the 'Why do you cry?' scene being corny▶ 57:34
Chris RyanEdward Furlong's uneven performance, comparing it to LaMelo Ball's inconsistency with occasional flashes of brilliance▶ 57:51
Van LathanEdward Furlong's performance - showed glimpses of being one of the best but couldn't get out of his own way creatively and personally▶ 58:07
Casting What-Ifs
Bill SimmonsSean Bean — Discussed multiple casting what-ifs: Sean Bean as T-1000 (would have been cool), Billy Idol considered for T-1000, Charlie Korsmo originally cast as John Connor, and Denzel Washington offered Miles Dyson role▶ 1:01:19
Chris RyanSean Bean — Likes the idea of Sean Bean as T-1000 despite it being fucked up for Sarah Connor, but doesn't believe Charlie Korsmo as juvenile delinquent▶ 1:01:42
Van LathanDenzel Washington — Acknowledged Charlie Korsmo was having a moment but questioned Denzel Washington casting as too ambitious, though agreed Denzel wasn't A-plus list yet in 1990▶ 1:02:35
Joey Pants Award
Bill SimmonsSarah Connor's doctor (from both films), John Connor's arcade friend who looks like the kid from Big but isn't▶ 1:04:13
Dion Waiters Award
Bill SimmonsJoe Morton — Joe Morton (after ruling Robert Patrick ineligible for too much screen time)▶ 1:06:07
Chris RyanJoe Morton — Discusses Joe Morton's performance, particularly the Cyberdyne tour scene▶ 1:06:25
Apex Mountain
Bill SimmonsArnold Schwarzenegger — Yes for Arnold Schwarzenegger - this was his apex mountain looking at his four movie run leading to this▶ 1:13:14
Bill SimmonsEdward Furlong — Yes for Edward Furlong, Yes for Robert Patrick and his running▶ 1:13:56
Bill SimmonsTerminator 2: Judgment Day — Yes for multiple categories: insane asylums (with Silence of the Lambs), chin-ups, arcades, one-liners with 'Hasta la vista baby', and summer blockbusters as events▶ 1:14:43
Chris RyanTerminator 2: Judgment Day — Agrees this is apex mountain for summer blockbusters in his lifetime▶ 1:16:57
Probably Unanswerable Questions
Bill SimmonsMultiple questions: What happens to Sarah Connor going forward? What would really happen if a liquid nitrogen truck flipped? Why didn't everything change when Miles blew up Cyberdyne?▶ 1:23:13
Chris RyanSarah Connor probably starts a blog, opens a tamale stand, becomes a fitness instructor. Also noted there's never any traffic in Terminator movies▶ 1:23:20
Van LathanHow does the T-1000 regenerate with cop clothes on? Also discussed that subsequent movies explain judgment day can't be stopped▶ 1:24:44
Who Won the Movie
Chris RyanArnold Schwarzenegger — Arnold - agrees it's a great performance on top of his action star persona, when he was the biggest star in the world▶ 1:27:04
Van LathanArnold Schwarzenegger — Arnold - describes it as 'the jersey that's going up in the rafters' of all his great movie teams▶ 1:27:24
Movies Referenced (46)
| Title (year) | Links | Mentions | Mentioned by | First |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| The Terminator (1984) | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 15 | Bill Simmons, Van Lathan, Chris Ryan | ▶ 1:31 |
| The Matrix (1999) | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 6 | Van Lathan, Chris Ryan | ▶ 11:30 |
| Avatar (2009) | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 4 | Bill Simmons, Van Lathan | ▶ 1:14:02 |
| Cape Fear (1991) | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 4 | Chris Ryan, Bill Simmons, Van Lathan | ▶ 10:40 |
| Kindergarten Cop (1990) | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 4 | Bill Simmons | ▶ 9:59 |
| Sleeping with the Enemy (1991) | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 4 | Van Lathan, Bill Simmons | ▶ 21:45 |
| Titanic (1997) | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 4 | Bill Simmons | ▶ 14:02 |
| Total Recall (1990) | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 4 | Bill Simmons | ▶ 9:59 |
| First Blood (1982) | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 3 | Bill Simmons, Van Lathan | ▶ 1:31 |
| True Lies (1994) | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 3 | Van Lathan | ▶ 25:38 |
| Aliens (1986) | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 2 | Chris Ryan, Bill Simmons | ▶ 19:29 |
| Bolt (2008) | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 2 | Bill Simmons, Van Lathan | ▶ 48:43 |
Actors Referenced (50)
| Name | Links | Mentions | Mentioned by | Known For | First |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Arnold Schwarzenegger | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 44 | Bill Simmons, Van Lathan, Chris Ryan | Terminator 2: Judgment Day, The Terminator | ▶ 2:11 |
| Robert Patrick | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 15 | Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, Van Lathan | Terminator 2: Judgment Day | ▶ 5:41 |
| Joe Morton | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 9 | Bill Simmons, Van Lathan | Terminator 2: Judgment Day | ▶ 17:22 |
| Denzel Washington | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 7 | Bill Simmons, Van Lathan | ▶ 8:27 | |
| Linda Hamilton | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 7 | Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan | Terminator 2: Judgment Day, The Terminator | ▶ 18:44 |
| Laura Dern | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 4 | Jurassic Park, Marriage Story | ▶ 23:10 | |
| Mario Kassar | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 4 | Bill Simmons, Van Lathan | First Blood, Terminator 2: Judgment Day, Stargate | ▶ 1:09:01 |
| River Phoenix | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 4 | Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan | My Own Private Idaho, Stand by Me, The Mosquito Coast | ▶ 44:48 |
| Boys Club | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 3 | Chris Ryan, Van Lathan | ▶ 23:12 | |
| Charlie Korsmo | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 3 | Bill Simmons, Van Lathan | Can't Hardly Wait | ▶ 1:02:28 |
| Chris Hemsworth | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 3 | Van Lathan | The Avengers | ▶ 28:13 |
| Edward Furlong | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 3 | Bill Simmons | Terminator 2: Judgment Day, American History X | ▶ 40:34 |
Writers Referenced (2)
| Name | Links | Mentions | Mentioned by | Known For | First |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| James Cameron | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 3 | Bill Simmons | Avatar, Aliens, Terminator 2: Judgment Day | ▶ 13:37 |
| Roger Ebert | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 2 | Bill Simmons | ▶ 24:50 |
Cinematographers Referenced (1)
| Name | Links | Mentions | Mentioned by | Known For | First |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Klaus Track | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 1 | Van Lathan | The Dictator | ▶ 49:14 |