‘The Terminator’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Shea Serrano
January 21, 2021 · The Terminator (1984) · Action · Adventure · Sci-Fi · 1:37:22 · ▶ Listen on Spotify
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Most Rewatchable Scene
Bill SimmonsTech Noir scene, Bill Paxton scene, the 'Reese, why me?' tunnel explanation scene, and Arnold fixing his arm scene▶ 36:00
Chris RyanGinger scenes, Tech Noir scene (especially the slow-mo shot of Arnold walking across the dance floor)▶ 39:08
Shea SerranoRick Rosevich fight scene and the tunnel explanation scene where Kyle explains the future▶ 35:01
What's Aged the Best
Bill SimmonsArnold's iconic line decision, the synthesizer-heavy Terminator soundtrack from the 80-85 era, 'I came across time for you, Sarah' as the best pickup line, and Stan Winston's special effects team work▶ 56:35
Shea SerranoThe Terminator soundtrack - 'anytime you hear that now, you're like, all right, let's fucking do this' and Arnold as the unkillable bad guy▶ 57:13
What's Aged the Worst
Bill SimmonsThe future setting (2029 being only 9 years away without promised technology), stop-motion Terminator effects, Linda Hamilton's 80s hair, Arnold's nudity, and the Harlan Ellison lawsuit controversy▶ 1:03:11
Chris RyanLasers not being in our lives as expected, post-sex snacks (giant sandwich and milk), weird off-brand pets like iguanas, and John Connor's terrible message to Sarah▶ 1:02:47
Casting What-Ifs
Chris RyanRosanna Arquette — Rosanna Arquette for Sarah Connor - agrees she seems like 'cool punk rock new wave waitress at an L.A. diner'▶ 1:12:21
Joey Pants Award
Bill SimmonsRick Moranis — Rick Moranis (initially questioned if he qualifies as 'that guy' but then affirmed)▶ 1:12:54
Dion Waiters Award
Shea SerranoRick Rossovich — Expressed hope that Rick Rossovich would win this category, sharing enthusiasm for the actor▶ 1:13:39
Apex Mountain
Bill SimmonsNo for Arnold, James Cameron, Linda Hamilton. Yes for mid-80s Los Angeles and Tech Noir bar scene▶ 1:21:09
Chris RyanMichael Biehn — Michael Biehn yes (better in Aliens). Mid-80s Los Angeles yes. James Cameron's apex is Titanic. Time travel apex possibly▶ 1:21:17
Shea SerranoNo for Ray-Bans (Top Gun better). Suggests cheesy 80s hotel room sex as potential apex▶ 1:23:03
Probably Unanswerable Questions
Bill SimmonsDiscussed multiple questions: sci-fi vs horror (chose sci-fi), Reese didn't know he was John Connor's father, Kyle dying was necessary for the story, time travel paradoxes are unsolvable, Tech Noir location logistics, phone book killer concept unused potential, wants Arnold's red motorcycle as memorabilia▶ 1:29:14
Chris RyanDiscussed Kyle Reese not surviving Cameron films, speculated about alternate scenarios with Kyle living in Mexico, identified Tech Noir as downtown near 7th and Broadway, questioned why Kyle didn't go back earlier to have Sarah unlist her number, wants Rick Rossovich's briefs as memorabilia▶ 1:29:38
Shea SerranoArgued Kyle Reese had to die because audiences wanted to see Arnold/Terminator return not Kyle, discussed time travel loop confusion, wants the crawling Terminator torso as memorabilia for his living room▶ 1:30:29
Who Won the Movie
Bill SimmonsArnold Schwarzenegger — Arnold, though considers Cameron as potential co-winner but ultimately picks Arnold because Cameron's career would have happened anyway while Arnold's wouldn't have without this movie▶ 1:34:01
Shea SerranoArnold Schwarzenegger — Arnold - agrees that Cameron was talented and would succeed anyway, but this movie was crucial for Arnold's career transformation from Conan to action star▶ 1:34:03
Movies Referenced (40)
| Title (year) | Links | Mentions | Mentioned by | First |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| First Blood (1982) | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 8 | Bill Simmons, Shea Serrano | ▶ 1:28 |
| Aliens (1986) | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 7 | Chris Ryan, Bill Simmons | ▶ 22:43 |
| Beverly Hills Cop (1984) | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 7 | Chris Ryan, Bill Simmons | ▶ 14:49 |
| Halloween (1978) | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 7 | Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, Shea Serrano | ▶ 4:01 |
| Rambo (2008) | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 7 | Chris Ryan, Shea Serrano, Bill Simmons | ▶ 4:33 |
| Top Gun (1986) | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 7 | Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, Shea Serrano | ▶ 57:11 |
| Alien (1979) | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 6 | Chris Ryan, Bill Simmons | ▶ 19:50 |
| Blade Runner (1982) | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 4 | Chris Ryan, Bill Simmons, Shea Serrano | ▶ 19:48 |
| Escape from New York (1981) | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 4 | Bill Simmons, Shea Serrano | ▶ 6:15 |
| Total Recall (1990) | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 4 | Chris Ryan, Bill Simmons | ▶ 9:22 |
| Die Hard (1988) | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 3 | Bill Simmons | ▶ 2:45 |
| Miami Vice (2006) | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 3 | Bill Simmons, Shea Serrano, Chris Ryan | ▶ 15:28 |
Directors Referenced (9)
| Name | Links | Mentions | Mentioned by | Known For | First |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| John Carpenter | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 6 | Chris Ryan, Bill Simmons, Shea Serrano | Halloween | ▶ 4:08 |
| James Wiseman | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 2 | Chris Ryan | ▶ 9:22 | |
| Mel Gibson | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 2 | Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan | Braveheart, Lethal Weapon 3, Conspiracy Theory | ▶ 1:10:28 |
| Roger Corman | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 2 | Chris Ryan | The Silence of the Lambs, Apollo 13, Little Shop of Horrors | ▶ 4:40 |
| Clint Eastwood | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 1 | Bill Simmons | Million Dollar Baby, Gran Torino, Unforgiven | ▶ 18:29 |
| John Colorado | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 1 | Shea Serrano | Hancock | ▶ 58:18 |
| John McTiernan | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 1 | Chris Ryan | Die Hard, Last Action Hero | ▶ 22:01 |
| John Woo | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 1 | Chris Ryan | ▶ 22:01 | |
| Michael Mann | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 1 | Bill Simmons | The Insider, Collateral, The Last of the Mohicans | ▶ 31:25 |
Actors Referenced (36)
| Name | Links | Mentions | Mentioned by | Known For | First |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Arnold Schwarzenegger | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 64 | Bill Simmons, Shea Serrano, Chris Ryan | Terminator 2: Judgment Day, The Terminator | ▶ 2:57 |
| Linda Hamilton | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 17 | Bill Simmons, Shea Serrano, Chris Ryan | Terminator 2: Judgment Day, The Terminator | ▶ 3:04 |
| Rick Rossovich | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 13 | Shea Serrano, Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan | Top Gun, The Terminator | ▶ 34:40 |
| Bill Paxton | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 11 | Chris Ryan, Bill Simmons, Shea Serrano | Aliens, Apollo 13 | ▶ 14:35 |
| Michael Biehn | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 8 | Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan | Aliens, The Terminator, The Abyss | ▶ 37:21 |
| Mike Medavoy | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 7 | Bill Simmons | Black Swan | ▶ 24:02 |
| Lance Henriksen | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 4 | Bill Simmons | Aliens | ▶ 44:29 |
| Paul Winfield | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 4 | Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan | The Terminator | ▶ 54:52 |
| Demi Moore | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 3 | Bill Simmons | Striptease, Indecent Proposal | ▶ 1:17:22 |
| Dick Miller | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 3 | Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan | The Terminator, Gremlins | ▶ 53:41 |
| Lou Ferrigno | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 3 | Shea Serrano, Bill Simmons | The Incredible Hulk, Hulk | ▶ 16:22 |
| Rosanna Arquette | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 3 | Bill Simmons | Pulp Fiction, After Hours | ▶ 1:12:03 |
Writers Referenced (5)
| Name | Links | Mentions | Mentioned by | Known For | First |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| James Cameron | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 36 | Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, Shea Serrano | Avatar, Aliens, Terminator 2: Judgment Day | ▶ 4:01 |
| Brian Koppelman | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 3 | Bill Simmons | Runaway Jury, Michael Clayton | ▶ 1:28 |
| Ray Harryhausen | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 3 | Bill Simmons, Shea Serrano | Spies Like Us | ▶ 1:04:07 |
| Roger Ebert | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 3 | Bill Simmons | ▶ 23:46 | |
| Harlan Ellison | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 1 | Bill Simmons | ▶ 1:05:59 |