‘Creed’ Live From Philly With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, Sean Fennessey, and Van Lathan
February 19, 2024 · Creed (2015) · Action · Drama · Sport · 1:46:00 · ▶ Listen on Spotify
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Most Rewatchable Scene
Bill SimmonsDiscusses multiple scenes including the opening with little Adonis, the Andre Ward car key scene, and Donnie meeting Rocky at Adrian's restaurant, but doesn't settle on one definitive pick▶ 30:09
Sean FennesseyAgrees with the opening scene discussion, noting the hammer moment and title reveal▶ 31:18
Van LathanSupports the opening scene with little Adonis, emphasizing how crucial it is for the movie and mentions the fist unclenching moment▶ 31:03
Probably Unanswerable Questions
Bill SimmonsRocky was lying when he told Donnie that Apollo won their private fight - Rocky actually won but lied to spare the feelings of Apollo's son▶ 35:27
Chris RyanExpressed uncertainty about who won and questioned whether Rocky's mentorship was founded on lies▶ 35:30
What's Aged the Best
Bill SimmonsThe 24-7 documentary segments, media touches, Coogler's camera work, Wood Harris as Duke's son, Stallone being 69 (same age as Burgess Meredith in Rocky), Bianca as a well-written sports movie girlfriend, and Tony Bellew as Pretty Ricky Conlan▶ 55:29
Sean FennesseyIrwin Winkler and Chartoff taking a chance on 29-year-old Ryan Coogler to make an Apollo Creed son movie▶ 1:00:21
Great Shot Gordo Award
Chris RyanThe Leo the Lion one-er tracking shot throughout the first fight and the first intro shot of Creed in Tijuana taping up his hands▶ 1:03:09
Butch's Girlfriend Award
Bill SimmonsWhen Rocky turns on Donnie for like three minutes and says 'we're not a real family'▶ 1:05:54
What's Aged the Worst
Bill SimmonsQuestions whether boxing's relevance has aged poorly, wondering if a 2024 remake would focus on MMA instead▶ 1:16:39
Sean FennesseyBoxing's cultural prominence - agrees it's as small as it's been in 100 years▶ 1:16:23
Van LathanBoxing's cultural relevance - it's aged poorly since Rocky came out, though maybe on a small upswing recently. The heavyweight champion used to be the most popular athlete in the world.▶ 1:16:17
Stephen A. Smith Hottest Take Award
Chris RyanThere's no retribution storyline for Wheeler after Conlon breaks his jaw and steals his shot at the title▶ 1:19:04
Sean FennesseyCreed should have won at the end, and Rocky should have won at the end of the original Rocky▶ 1:21:25
Casting What-Ifs
Bill SimmonsMeryl Streep — States there haven't been enough casting what-ifs revealed yet for this movie, mentions Meryl Streep was supposedly up for Bianca but calls reliability into question, explains Felicia Rashad casting due to original actress passing away▶ 1:23:21
Half-Assed Internet Research
Bill SimmonsSeries of trivia facts including Philadelphia filming locations (Victor's Cafe, Mighty Mix Gym, Max cheesesteak place), Donnie's shirt homage to Rocky 1, Stallone wanting MBJ in flag trunks, Pauly's gravestone dates, MBJ gaining 24 pounds of muscle, and Tony Bellew winning WBC Cruiserweight title 8 months after the movie▶ 1:27:35
Apex Mountain
Bill SimmonsMichael B. Jordan — Yes for MBJ (Michael B. Jordan) - 'Coming out of Creed, it's like he could make any movie he wants'; No for Ryan Coogler, Tessa Thompson, Stallone; Yes for Tony Blue (winning the title); Yes for HBO 24-7▶ 1:29:02
Chris RyanTony Bellew — Yes for 'Johns' in cinema history; Yes for Tony Blue since he'd never heard of him outside this movie▶ 1:29:39
Van LathanBlack Panther — Black Panther as alternative for MBJ; Valkyrie for Tessa Thompson; This is Apex Mountain for Creed movies and for real boxers in movies▶ 1:29:10
Just One Oscar
Bill SimmonsRyan Coogler — Initially suggested Stallone, then Coogler, ultimately agreed with Sean's argument for Coogler▶ 1:38:24
Sean FennesseyRyan Coogler — Coogler for directing - argued the movie had only 10% chance of being good in anyone else's hands▶ 1:38:31
Movies Referenced (42)
| Title (year) | Links | Mentions | Mentioned by | First |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Philadelphia (1993) | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 11 | Chris Ryan, Bill Simmons, Van Lathan | ▶ 1:42 |
| Rocky Balboa (2006) | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 7 | Van Lathan, Bill Simmons | ▶ 7:25 |
| Star Wars: Episode IV - A New Hope (1977) | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 7 | Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey | ▶ 6:42 |
| Black Panther (2018) | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 6 | Van Lathan, Sean Fennessey, Chris Ryan | ▶ 22:15 |
| The Ring (2002) | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 6 | Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, Van Lathan | ▶ 26:07 |
| Batman (1989) | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 5 | Bill Simmons | ▶ 1:22:51 |
| Identity (2003) | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 4 | Van Lathan, Bill Simmons | ▶ 18:25 |
| Top Gun (1986) | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 4 | Van Lathan, Chris Ryan | ▶ 8:42 |
| 2012 (2009) | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 3 | Bill Simmons | ▶ 34:32 |
| Rocky V (1990) | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 3 | Bill Simmons | ▶ 6:59 |
| Rushmore (1998) | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 3 | Chris Ryan, Bill Simmons | ▶ 1:30:21 |
| Twilight (2008) | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 3 | Van Lathan, Sean Fennessey | ▶ 58:09 |
Directors Referenced (1)
| Name | Links | Mentions | Mentioned by | Known For | First |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Shawn Fitzgibbon | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 1 | Manchester by the Sea | ▶ 13:31 |
Actors Referenced (63)
| Name | Links | Mentions | Mentioned by | Known For | First |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Sylvester Stallone | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 24 | Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, Van Lathan | Rocky, Rocky IV, Creed | ▶ 7:40 |
| Tone Trump | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 12 | Bill Simmons, Van Lathan, Sean Fennessey | Creed | ▶ 41:00 |
| Wood Harris | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 11 | Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, Van Lathan | Remember the Titans, Ant-Man | ▶ 52:48 |
| Jim Lampley | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 10 | Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, Van Lathan | Southpaw, Creed, Blades of Glory | ▶ 28:10 |
| Pretty Ricky | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 10 | Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, Van Lathan | ▶ 33:09 | |
| Don Johnson | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 9 | Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, Chris Ryan | Django Unchained | ▶ 1:32:33 |
| Tony Romo | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 8 | Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, Van Lathan | ▶ 1:02:13 | |
| Tijuana Ricks | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 7 | Bill Simmons, Van Lathan, Sean Fennessey | ▶ 38:53 | |
| Liev Schreiber | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 6 | Sean Fennessey, Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan | Spotlight, The Manchurian Candidate | ▶ 51:48 |
| Max Kellerman | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 6 | Sean Fennessey, Bill Simmons | Creed, Creed II, Rocky Balboa | ▶ 53:10 |
| Justin Timberlake | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 4 | Bill Simmons, Van Lathan | The Social Network | ▶ 34:26 |
| Kurt Cobain | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 4 | Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey | Black Widow, The Batman | ▶ 34:12 |
Writers Referenced (4)
| Name | Links | Mentions | Mentioned by | Known For | First |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Ryan Coogler | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 20 | Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, Van Lathan | Black Panther, Creed | ▶ 7:44 |
| Damien Chazelle | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 1 | Sean Fennessey | Whiplash, La La Land, First Man | ▶ 24:08 |
| Danny McBride | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 1 | Chris Ryan | Underworld | ▶ 1:25:12 |
| Tom Clancy | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 1 | Bill Simmons | The Hunt for Red October, The Sum of All Fears, Clear and Present Danger | ▶ 23:14 |
Cinematographers Referenced (2)
| Name | Links | Mentions | Mentioned by | Known For | First |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Gordon Willis | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 1 | Bill Simmons | The Godfather Part II | ▶ 1:03:26 |
| Michael Grantland | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 1 | Van Lathan | The Other Guys | ▶ 6:04 |