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‘Indecent Proposal’ With Bill Simmons and Mallory Rubin
April 11, 2023 · Indecent Proposal (1993) · Drama · Romance · 1:39:05 · ▶ Listen on Spotify
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Apex Mountain
Bill SimmonsDemi Moore — Demi Moore - this movie represents her apex mountain, when she was at peak of her powers and 'flawless fucking flawless hot'; Woody Harrelson - making moves left and right with Cheers ending and post-White Men Can't Jump success; Robert Redford - this was his last attempt to be a leading man and last time he could pull off this type of part▶ 19:06
Mallory RubinRobert Redford — Robert Redford gives a compelling performance and looks incredibly handsome, as he does in every movie because he's one of the best-looking people who has ever lived; notes his later villain turn in Captain America as end-of-career move▶ 20:24
Most Rewatchable Scene
Bill SimmonsVegas shopping scene right into the craps scene, the billiard scene where Redford makes the million-dollar offer, Oliver Platt-Redford contract scene, and the boat scene▶ 29:51
Mallory RubinAgrees that 90% of the most rewatchable scenes come from the Vegas stretch, specifically mentions the sex scene after the first Vegas day, and discusses the billiard scene and boat scene▶ 31:09
Den of Thieves Benihana Award
Bill SimmonsMultiple locations: Rich Guy Party/Vegas suites, the boat, and Malibu stopping point, but agrees the yacht was underutilized▶ 48:24
Great Shot Gordo Award
Mallory RubinThe scene where David walks in front of the wall of TVs showing horse racing, then suddenly every screen shows Gage and Diana together▶ 49:12
Picking Nits
Bill SimmonsThe Santa Monica property would be worth $5 million minimum in 1993, but they act like they need to scrape coins together for it▶ 56:30
Mallory RubinThe first losing streak is too fast - they go from $25,000 to only $4,000 after first stint at roulette▶ 54:43
Mallory RubinReadily available prime oceanfront real estate in Santa Monica - huge open property that should realistically be worth millions▶ 55:58
Mallory RubinThe voiceover is terrible and sporadically deployed - very central in opening then disappears for long periods▶ 58:34
What's Aged the Worst
Mallory RubinThe opening stretch of the film with the initial voiceover that spoils that David and Diana split up▶ 59:10
Half-Assed Internet Research
Bill SimmonsAdrian Lyne's sex scenes aren't that good despite his movies being sexual, with specific critique of scenes from this film and others like Fatal Attraction and Unfaithful▶ 1:01:12
Mallory RubinA porn star was supposedly Robert Redford's stunt double (but she says this is fake news)▶ 1:00:15
Best Quote
Bill SimmonsMultiple quotes including 'A life without risk is no life at all' and 'Remember if you want something very badly set it free. If it comes back to you it's yours forever. If it doesn't it was never yours to begin with.'▶ 1:02:15
Stephen A. Smith Hottest Take Award
Bill SimmonsDiana should go with Gage instead of David, calling David 'kind of a loser' who messed up their property and allowed the situation to happen▶ 1:04:38
Mallory RubinThe movie needs a murder - specifically David should die under mysterious circumstances, making Diana suspect Gage did it, creating perpetual doubt and trust issues▶ 1:05:25
Casting What-Ifs
Bill SimmonsJulia Roberts — Discusses alternate casting including Cruz/Kidman/Beatty version, Julia Roberts offered Diana role (feels too young), Johnny Depp approached for lead, and notes Cruise wouldn't have done a movie where he 'loans out his wife'▶ 1:06:46
Mallory RubinTom Cruise — Woody Harrelson was genius casting over Tom Cruise because you need someone who is 'not as hot as Tom Cruise' for the husband role to work with the movie's dynamic▶ 1:08:06
Overacting Award
Bill SimmonsWoody Harrelson — Woody Harrelson wins the Ruffalo Hannah-Rubinick Partridge overacting award for a couple different moments where he dials it up▶ 1:09:06
Mallory RubinWoody Harrelson — Agrees with Woody Harrelson, specifically citing him throwing the wine bottle into the fridge as remarkable▶ 1:09:15
Is This Movie Better With
Bill SimmonsWayne Jenkins in the John Gage role and confirms Wayne Jenkins makes this movie better▶ 1:25:59
Mallory RubinWayne Jenkins as casino observer/private security watching the poker game unfold▶ 1:26:14
Probably Unanswerable Questions
Bill SimmonsMultiple questions: Would movie be better with Richard Gere? Was John Gage a bad guy (says no, he's flawed but not bad)? Would Million Dollar Club work as TV show? What are the sexual contract rules/clauses?▶ 1:27:07
Mallory RubinMultiple questions: Movie better without Gere because Redford off-kilter casting helps. John Gage is a bad guy. What are the contract clauses for sexual acts? What happened to Gage's dogs? Has Shackleford killed someone? Did Diana keep Gage's business card herself?▶ 1:27:20
Movies Referenced (27)
| Title (year) | Links | Mentions | Mentioned by | First |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Casino (1995) | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 7 | Mallory Rubin, Bill Simmons | ▶ 39:13 |
| Fatal Attraction (1987) | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 6 | Bill Simmons | ▶ 1:34 |
| Pretty Woman (1990) | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 6 | Bill Simmons, Mallory Rubin | ▶ 5:46 |
| The Prestige (2006) | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 3 | Mallory Rubin, Bill Simmons | ▶ 7:08 |
| Don't Worry Darling (2022) | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 2 | Mallory Rubin | ▶ 1:36:55 |
| Jacob's Ladder (1990) | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 2 | Bill Simmons | ▶ 26:02 |
| Sideways (2004) | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 2 | Bill Simmons | ▶ 21:09 |
| White Men Can't Jump (1992) | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 2 | Bill Simmons | ▶ 9:43 |
| A Few Good Men (1992) | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 1 | Bill Simmons | ▶ 19:23 |
| Avatar (2009) | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 1 | Mallory Rubin | ▶ 46:32 |
| Basic Instinct (1992) | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 1 | Bill Simmons | ▶ 6:17 |
| Citizen Kane (1941) | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 1 | Bill Simmons | ▶ 1:14:00 |
Directors Referenced (4)
| Name | Links | Mentions | Mentioned by | Known For | First |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Adrian Lyne | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 9 | Bill Simmons | Jacob's Ladder, Indecent Proposal | ▶ 2:15 |
| Warren Beatty | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 5 | Bill Simmons, Mallory Rubin | Heaven Can Wait | ▶ 16:35 |
| Ben Affleck | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 2 | Bill Simmons, Mallory Rubin | Argo, Gone Girl, The Town | ▶ 0:09 |
| John Wilson | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 1 | Bill Simmons | Grease | ▶ 1:13:03 |
Actors Referenced (50)
| Name | Links | Mentions | Mentioned by | Known For | First |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Robert Redford | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 42 | Bill Simmons, Mallory Rubin | The Natural, Ordinary People, Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid | ▶ 1:56 |
| Woody Harrelson | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 32 | Bill Simmons, Mallory Rubin | Natural Born Killers | ▶ 1:56 |
| Demi Moore | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 27 | Bill Simmons, Mallory Rubin | Striptease, Indecent Proposal | ▶ 1:56 |
| Brad Pitt | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 9 | Bill Simmons | Fight Club, 12 Monkeys, Mr. & Mrs. Smith | ▶ 13:17 |
| Jeremy Strong | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 8 | Mallory Rubin | The Big Short | ▶ 8:06 |
| Oliver Platt | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 7 | Mallory Rubin, Bill Simmons | 2012, Bicentennial Man | ▶ 8:06 |
| Sydney Sweeney | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 5 | Mallory Rubin, Bill Simmons | ▶ 42:54 | |
| Angela Bassett | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 4 | Bill Simmons, Mallory Rubin | Black Panther | ▶ 1:12:34 |
| Jacob Elordi | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 4 | Bill Simmons, Mallory Rubin | Frankenstein, Saltburn, Priscilla | ▶ 26:02 |
| Tom Cruise | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 4 | Mallory Rubin, Bill Simmons | Top Gun, Minority Report | ▶ 1:08:11 |
| Adam Driver | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 3 | Mallory Rubin | ▶ 1:09:49 | |
| John Garfield | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 3 | Mallory Rubin, Bill Simmons | ▶ 35:50 |
Writers Referenced (5)
| Name | Links | Mentions | Mentioned by | Known For | First |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Amy Holden Jones | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 3 | Bill Simmons, Mallory Rubin | Indecent Proposal | ▶ 9:21 |
| Andy Greenwald | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 2 | Bill Simmons | ▶ 1:17:06 | |
| Steve Englehart | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 1 | Bill Simmons | ▶ 12:31 | |
| Taylor Sheridan | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 1 | Bill Simmons | Hell or High Water, Wind River | ▶ 9:08 |
| William Goldman | IMDb ↗Lb ↗ | 1 | Bill Simmons | Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid, All the President's Men, The Princess Bride | ▶ 1:14:48 |